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Enclosed is a copy of a letter we received dated July 31, 1984 <br />from the Indian River Memorial Hospital, Department of Social <br />Services in which the director of that department voiced concern <br />over the problems they were having in obtaining ambulance trans- <br />portation for their patients. The letter states that within the <br />past months C &.J was unable to provide transportation for 42 out <br />of 61 cases, whichwere inappropriately termed"non-emergencies". <br />We found no mention of the hundreds of patients that we have done <br />transfers on and no mention of the excellent care our patients <br />and their families receive. At the time we received the letter <br />we spoke with Mary Kaplan, Director of Social Services and explain- <br />ed the fact that we are a private service that does non -emergency <br />transfers and that the vast majority of her cases were indeed, <br />true "emergencies". We also mentioned that it would be too cost- <br />ly for us to consider becoming an advanced life support service as <br />the equipment and drugs were very costly and that the disadvantage <br />would be having an ambulance sit and wait for a transfer to occur. <br />Many counties subsidize services to do this but without assistance <br />it is generally too costly for a small private service. <br />Commonly, through no fault of Social Services the receiving hospi- <br />tal may say that they have no available beds and they will call the <br />discharging hospital on quite short notice when a bed becomes avail- <br />able for the patient. On numerous occassions when these beds become <br />available the receiving hospital will require the patient to be at <br />their facility -within a very short period of time. Many times we <br />would be able to take the patient in the early afternoon as soon <br />as we finish calls we have scheduled for the morning, however, the <br />hospital will say that the patient has to leave immediately, which <br />is not always possible for us to do. As you can see it is not that <br />C & J is refusing transfers it is just that we are here to provide <br />your residents with local non -emergency transportation as the Com- <br />mission has determined our function to be. <br />We feel that if we are issued a certificate such as ours -that we <br />have aresponsibility to provide the services requested by the <br />Commission. If we are expected to provide "emergency" ambulance <br />services in the county it should be so stated in the certificate. <br />We have served Indian River County for 7 years and it is not that <br />we have diminished our services bu rather an increase in the num- <br />ber of out of town transfers that are emergencies and of course an <br />increase in the population in=the county. We find it unusual that <br />the "refusals" are for the out of town transfers, yet the Indian <br />River County Volunteer Ambulance Squad (I.R.C.V.A.S.) has been do- <br />ing all of the neonatal team transferes that come in to the local <br />airport. These teams are comprised of neonatal specialists and <br />in essence are not Ambulance Emergencies. If we had been out of <br />town on all of the 61 transfers Ms. Kaplan talked about in her <br />letter, would the Volunteers be taking all of the "non -emergency" <br />transfers such as the local Doctor Office and Nursing home calls? <br />The question here being is our function to be changed from its <br />previous description and are complaints being directed to the <br />right party. It seems that the problems are many and that they do <br />not lie as the sole responsibility of one single non -emergency <br />service. It seems rather illogical to have the "non -emergency" <br />service doing the emrgency calls and the "emergency" service doing <br />the non -emergency calls. <br />It is understandable that Indian River Memorial has a growing con- <br />cern regarding this issue. Mr. O'Grady blames C & J.'s inability <br />to accept referrals as directly affecting the patients' dischrage <br />being delayed. He also suggests that it may cause additional ex- <br />pense to the patient and inconvenience to the family. It is un- <br />reasonable for C & J to take the blame for a shortage of Ambulances <br />whether they be emergency or non -emergency vehicles. Secondly, Mr. <br />O'Grady states that I.R.C.V.A.S. performed the transfers and that <br />it is beyond the stated goals of the Volunteers to provide "emerg- <br />ency" transportation services. Obviously, if I.R.C.V.A.S. holds <br />the Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity as the Emerg- <br />3 <br />BOOR 58 F 1. <br />r U40 <br />
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