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difficult in the confined right-of-way situation. Before the County can pave a dirt road, we have to seek a stormwater runoff permi't from the St. Johns River Water Management District and we have to provide for the water quality treatment of the first one inch of_ runoff coming from the roadway. We can no longer design the roadway without additional right-of-way to accommodate the required water quality treatment. Commissioner Scurlock asked if it would be possible to drain onto someone's property, because he felt certain people would be willing to do that rather than dedicate right-of-way. Director.Davis advised that it is possible to do it off site, but it does require the purchase of land of*f site to attenuate the stormwater. In addition to the pond or retention facility, we also need the conveyance swale to get the stormwater to that off-site area, unless we go with a curb and gutter urban system. In his opinion, the design manuals just don't give the discretion to go into a rural area. He felt the bottom line is' that the regulations don't permit us to do what Commissioner Scurlock is suggesting. Commissioner Scurlock didn't want to get bogged down on this today because he was sure that we could talk for two hours on this subject alone. He wished to see it addressed at a later time, however, because it seems to him that we ought to have the ability to make a provision for those people willing to pay to make a road safer and are just being held up because we need 60 feet and they only have 30 feet. It just seems to him that it is the right thing to do and that government ought to have the ability to do the right thing.. County Engineer Roger Can explained that we can cut back on the right-of-way r.equireme'nts to a certain degree, but it would .increase the cost, and Administrator Chandler emphasized that there are very few alternatives under the complexities of the permitting process. Commissioner Bowman believed that with a curb and gutter design it would be a lot easier to connect to a stormwater treatment facility later on, but Director Davis didn't feel that the state of the art has gotten to mechanical treatment of stormwater. Due to the cost, most of the DER studies and studies throughout the country are not looking at mechanical means to treat stormwater. Commissioner Wheeler agreed with Commissioner. Scurlock that a paved road is safer than a washboard graded road, but a lot of these roads that people want paved are very rural in nature. He felt that Cherry Lane is traveled quite a bit. 41 BOCIK 6.� f'AGEI tO,C I