HomeMy WebLinkAbout8/8/1989 (2)SPECIAL MEETING
Tuesday, August 8, 1989
The Board of County Commissioners of -Indian River County,
Florida, met in Special Session at the County Commission
Chambers, 1840 25th Street, Vero Beach, Florida, on Tuesday,
August 8, 1989, at 10:50 o'clock A.M. Present were Gary C.
Wheeler, Chairman; Carolyn K. Eggert, Vice Chairman; Richard N.
Bird; Margaret C. Bowman; and Don C. Scurlock, Jr. Also present
were James E. Chandler, County Administrator; William C. Collins,
Assistant County Attorney to the Board of County Commissioners;
Joseph Baird, OMB Director; and Barbara Bonnah, Deputy Clerk.
The Chairman called the meeting to order, and Commissioner
Bird led the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
WORKSHOP MEETING TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED IRC COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
Attorney Collins advised that today's workshop meeting was
advertised as a Public'Hearing and that the Chairman would open
it up to public discussion after staff has completed their review
of the proposed Comp Plan.
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
The Board of County Commissioners of Indian River
County will hold a public meeting on August 8,
1989 to review the proposed Indian River County
Comprehensive Plan. This will be a workshop
meeting where public input is encouraged.
The regular meeting of the Board of County
Commissioners will begin at 9:00 a.m. and the
workshop meeting will begin immediately following
and will be held in the County Commission
Chambers in the County Administration Building
located at 1840 25th Street, Vero Beach, Florida.
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Robert Keating, Director of Community Development, explained
that the purpose of today's review of the proposed Comp Plan is
to try and make the public hearings a little easier when they are
held on August 23, 24, and, if necessary, August 25. What staff
would like to do is give a general description of what is in
these two massive documents, go over some of the plan intent, and
answer any questions the Board may have.
Director Keating felt that everyone realizes that we have
tried to do almost all of the Comp Plan inhouse, which has been a
major undertaking. Only two elements were done outside by
consultants, the Housing Element and the Traffic Circulation
element.
Director Keating introduced the following staff members who
prepared the proposed new Comprehensive Plan for Indian River
County, but noted that Roland DeBlois, Chief of Environmental
Planning is on vacation this week: Sasan Rohani, Chief,
Long -Range Planning; Planners Robert Loeper, Cherylene Boudreaux,
Mark Crosley; and Cheryl Tworek.
Director Keating wished to point out that Public Works
Director Jim Davis and his staff did the Drainage Element in-
house and did a real good job The Planning staff worked
extensively with other departments in actually producing the
plan.
Director Keating advised that 10-11 hours were spent in
public hearings before the Planning & Zoning Commission reviewing
the proposed Comp Plan. There were a lot of minor and some
substantive changes changes to the Goals, Objectives and
Policies, and those revisions will be distributed to the Board
later this week with the changes on colored paper and x -d through
where something is deleted and underlined where something is new.
He explained that because the Traffic Element was late and is the
major element that necessitates the capital improvements, the
Capital Improvement Element was also late.
Director Keating presented a 20 -minute slidefilm showing the
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During the slidefilm presentation, Director Keating answered
specific questions regarding the following elements:
Soils Characteristics
Commissioner Scurlock asked if the soils analyses show a
relation to densities in terms of sewer or availability of sewer
and/or septic tanks under certain soil conditions, and Director
Keating explained that of the 65 different soil types in the
county we have generally categorized them in various groups, and
one of the things we look at are constraints to development,
particularly constraints to septic tank location. Staff did a
lot of overlays to identify where the natural resource
constraints and opportunities are, as well as the man-made
constraints and opportunities. The one aspect that
differentiates this plan from the county's current plan is the
reference to urban service areas and the urban service
boundaries. When we get into man-made conditions, you will see
that most of the densities that are in excess of one unit per
acre are almost all in existing or potential urban service areas.
Coastal Zone
Director Keating noted that the Coastal Zone is much more
extensive than we originally thought we would be dealing with.
In discussing this with the agencies involved, they felt that the
Coastal Zone should include any areas that drain into the lagoon,
which is why the zone is much further west than we anticipated.
Commissioner Scurlock understood that the whole area is
considered as drainage basin, and Director Keating said that is
correct because either it was draining north into the Sebastian
River or Sebastian Creek area or it is draining east into the
Atlantic coastal ridge primarily by virtue of the drainage
canals.
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Commissioner Scurlock asked if there were any State mandates
that require cooperation with the drainage districts, and
Director Keating advised that they do require intergovernmental
coordination, but they don't require drainage districts to do a
separate plan. We have a number of policies in there that
reflect the fact that the drainage districts are important in
this whole process.
Commissioner Scurlock cautioned that while you can come up
with the most wonderful plans you want to, you are nowhere if the
drainage district finds your drainage plan unacceptable.
Director Keating explained that Director Davis worked with a
lot of the drainage district's constraints, realizing that their
canals were never built to handle a lot of urban runoff. That is
why we have lower densities in some areas of the county that were
expected to be higher densities when we went through this,
particularly the areas that are within or close to urban service
areas. He was surprised at the size of the drainage areas and
the lower densities that occurred.
Public Works Director Jim Davis advised that a new study by
the Indian River Farms Water Control District recommends that a
stormwater utility be formed to implement secondary drainage.
The runoff will continue to flow into the Indian River, but the
District is looking at reducing the peak outfall during storms.
Discussion ensued regarding the feasibility of forming a
stormwater management district, and Commissioner Scurlock asked
if we have a master plan for drainage like we do for water and
wastewater, because that will be a major part of establishing a
stormwater district.
Director Davis advised that we don't have a drainage master
plan per se, but there is a 20 -year capital improvements plan for
drainage.
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Housing Element
Considerable discussion took place regarding the lack of
affordable housing in this county.
Traffic Element
Director Davis noted that the Traffic Element prepared by
Wilbur Smith Associates normally would have cost $60,000-$70,000,
but because we dovetailed it with the DOT's Treasure Coast model
and used a DOT grant to get the consultant, the cost will be
approximately $4,000. Staff also did a lot of work in doing the
socio-economic data by traffic analysis zones. We still are not
completely happy with what the consultant did, and a lot of
changes are anticipated, mostly with regard to being more
explanatory and getting a little more detail into exact LOS
(Level of Service) numbers at various LOS categories.
Director Davis emphasized that this county is in a lot
better shape than most other counties. Given existing conditions
and circumstances, there are only a couple of areas where there
are existing deficiencies on the system and they are in the "C"
and "D" levels of service.
Commissioner Scurlock was concerned about the range of
impact when we talk about exceeding transportation levels in a
particular area. How far out does that impact go in terms of a
moratorium on building?
Director Keating explained that on most projects, it will be
that point where the project still represents 5% of the LOS _
capacity of that part of the roadway. When staff sees that
capacities are beginning to exceed, that is when a project will
be structured. That is what we have tried to reflect in the
capital improvements part of the element, and that is one of the
things we want the consultant to work on a little bit more. Not
only do we need to show the capacity and existing and projected
volumes, but we are going to need to keep track of available
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capacity on every facility. That is the big challenge of
concurrency, and we have to do that for drainage, water, sewer
and recreation as well. The big kicker is how much available
capacity is there and what does that portend for proposed
development.
Commissioner Scurlock was concerned about the moratorium
time because that is the bottom line where all the pressure comes
down and when something clicks, we have to say no more
development until the improvements are in place.
Director Keating stated that a lot, but not all, of those
issues are addressed in the concurrency management plan.
Commissioner Scurlock just wanted to be able to send
reliable signals to the development community about whether. they
can expect to develop or not in certain areas so that they can
make good economic decisions.
Considerable discussion took place about using 66th Avenue -
as a north/south alternative instead of 58th Avenue which has the
constraints of the main canal and the utility poles so close to
the road. The Commissioners indicated that they liked the idea
of 66th Avenue as a north/south alternative.
Future Land Use Element
Director Keating advised that the new future land use map is
generally compatible with the existing map. He pointed out that
the MXDs are gone, because staff felt it was time to make the
decisions up front on whether it is to be commercial or
residential within the MXD areas. He also pointed out that
regardless of all our efforts to the contrary, U.S. #1 is shown
primarily as strip commercial. Due to the constraints of the
railroad and the highway itself, many times the land along U.S.
#1 is not suited for purposes other than commercial. Staff spent
a lot of time doing a commercial/industrial analysis to determine
how much we have, how much is too much, and how much more needs
to be accommodated.
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After the slidefilm presention was over and the lights were
turned on, Chairman Wheeler stated that he would like to see the
site for the DeBartolo mall addressed separately rather than
combined with
this new
Comp
Plan
since
we
are
talking about a
large amount
of acreage
that
has
been
put
into
this Comp Plan as
designated commercial. Personally, he wished to see that
addressed separately and go through all the hoops and look at it
under a microscope rather than combine it in with this plan.
Director Keating explained that his philosophy was that it
should be included since we are doing a whole Comp Plan update
and a regional mall is under consideration. The idea was that
you still have several other parts in this process whereby it
could be thrown out, particularly when the Board will not be
making a final decision on this plan until February, 1990. As
with the Harbortown mall, his thinking had been that if the
DeBartolo project had not gone through the D.R.I. process and had
a D.O. there and waiting in February whereby you could put a
reverter in there so that this parcel could go back to
residential if it wasn't built, then this site could be
eliminated at that time. An alternative, as Chairman Wheeler has
mentioned, would be to tell the developer to come in separately
for a land use plan change and deal with it on that basis.
Commissioners Eggert and Scurlock indicated that is what
they would like to see happen.
Commissioner Scurlock felt that site could be taken out and
done concurrently without slowing down the developer at all.
Commissioner Eggert's concern was that you wouldn't have the
same kind of notice as you would with a separate rezoning and
land use amendment.
Chairman Wheeler felt that if it is included, the attorneys
would use it as leverage to say that since it is designated that
way, all that is needed is to rezone it that way.
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Commissioner Scurlock pointed out that this Comp Plan will
be all the reasons to do everything and all the reasons not to,
and that's called interpretation.
Chairman Wheeler opened the Public Hearing, and asked if
anyone wished to be heard in this matter.
George Beuttell, 5480 Rosewood Road, representing several
property owners on 43rd Avenue, noted that the Traffic Plan does
not address 43rd Avenue or any improvements thereon, such as
widening it from 16th Street to SR -60.
Public Works Director Jim Davis advised that 43rd Avenue is
approaching the Level of Service "C" very rapidly, but, in our
opinion, the consultant's model did not load up that corridor.
In fact, it shows a decrease in the trips on 43rd Avenue for the
next 20 years. Staff doesn't feel that is practical, and we have
asked them to take a harder look at 43rd Avenue. We feel that
some widening should be done from 12th Street to SR -60.
Mr. Beuttell didn't know the protocol to get 43rd included.
in the improvements, and Chairman Wheeler explained that Director
Davis will revisit this and bring it back in the public hearings
where we can thrash out the particulars. Today is just kind of
an overview before the public hearings.
Carol Johnson, representing Citizens for Progressive Action,
felt that the Planning 8 Zoning Commission did an outstanding job
in their public hearings and that the Board should be very proud
of their staff who were receptive to suggestions that were
presented. She noted that when they were not receptive, they put
up their best arguments, some of which she felt swayed some
people who made presentations. Mrs. Johnson wished to ask the
Board for some assurances, since we are holding public hearings
very close to the time this plan has to be submitted, that the
August public hearings will indeed be a time when we can address
again some specifics with the receptiveness we have seen in the
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past months. She wished to give special thanks to the staff for
their patience in their explanations of some very elementary
questions at the P & Z hearings.
Commissioner Eggert agreed that staff has done a marvelous
job, and wondered if we praise them enough.
Chairman Wheeler commended staff for a job well done.
Mike Kiefer, 1943 Charlotte Avenue, explained that as an
engineer involved with waterfront development, he has been
following the process of the Comp Plans in various counties,
particularly the environmental elements. Speaking on behalf of
himself and his family today, he commended staff on the efforts
put forth in this plan. Mr. Kiefer had two requests, one of
which is t"o request that the public have the opportunity to
review this plan in public hearings held in the evenings.
Commissioner Eggert pointed out that the P & Z hearings were
held in the evening, but Mr. Kiefer felt that evening hearings
would allow the average person to be here after working hours.
Chairman Wheeler felt it was a solid suggestion to have one
meeting in the evening, and after extensive discussion, it was
decided to hold the first public hearing at 6:00 o'clock P.M. on
Monday, August 21, 1989, and have the advertisements read that
the public hearings would continue on August 23, 1989, from 9:00
A.M. to 5:00 P.M., and, if necessary on August 24th and 25th from
9:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M.
Mr. Kiefer's second request was to consider removing the
land use changes for the Indian River Mall and all the adjacent
properties that will be affected by that land use change until
all the impacts have been reviewed. He was not quite sure what
the consensus was on that matter.
Chairman Wheeler felt there was a consensus to remove that
site because he saw at least three Commissioners nodding their
heads in agreement and didn't hearing anyone object to it being
removed.
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Nancy Offutt, who has been following the Comp Plan process,
advised that the City of Vero Beach has scheduled the evening of
August 23rd for the review of their Comp Plan. She asked whether
the most appropriate time for the public to give their comments
would be at the evening meeting of August 21st or during the day
on August 23rd.
The Commissioners anticipated that most everyone who wished
to comment would be at the evening meeting on August 21st, and
Chairman Wheeler indicated that the Board would hear from those
people first and try to address their concerns before starting
the formal review of the document.
There being no others who wished to be heard, the Chairman
closed the Public Hearing.
There being no further business, on Motion duly made,
seconded and carried, the Board adjourned at 12:20 o'clock P.M.
ATTEST:
Clerk Chairman
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