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Commissioner Wodtke asked if staff was saying that if Indian River Retirement Estates came in now, they would not be permitted to have kitchens in their units, and Director Keating explained that they came in at the zoning district's regular density. Chairman Scurlock clarified that what is in question here is the density credits. If you go with the smaller units and leave the kitchen facilities out, then you get the density bonus. You have to make a choice. Indian River Estates chose to reduce their density. Commissioner Lyons had great difficulty with this provision as he felt a kitchen is a very important part of these apartments whether the facility happens to be a congregate living place or not. He further noted that these units undoubtedly would be the same as some time share units where there are no kitchens, but you can always manage to cook. He believed we should face up to this and allow kitchens. Chairman Scurlock felt staff is saying you can have the kitchen but not the same density. Commissioner Bird agreed with Commissioner Lyons about the need for a kitchen, and he also felt 750' is awfully small. He could understand staff's concern that if this doesn't work out, it would go on the market as rental apartments, but this could be solved if we can find some way to lock them into this situation. Commissioner Wodtke believed this is a type of facility which.is providing a very important need. He felt when you talk about density units, the key is density population, and he believed there is a stipulation in the HRS certificate that limits them to 252 people regardless of the amount of units. He also felt that 750' is a very small living unit for two people. Commissioner Lyons further noted that this type project will generate less than one trip per day per person. Generally transportation is provided, and the impact on traffic is very minor. 39 L_ JUL 16 1986 Boo, 65 FnIlE 86