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someone to defend their constitutional rights. Legal aid is helping indigents in a civil situation, and he reported that the Bar Association now has an on-going very good legal aid service, where the Bar members must take such referrals at no charge. He continued to argue that the Law Library would not be included in the Court Facilities Ordinance because that is in a separate ordinance; legal aid is also not in that ordinance and, in addition, it is being handled directly. The Statute says that the money shall be expended "as provided by the ordinance. " The ordinance simply says "court facility," and the Judges intended it to mean facilities for the Judges not the Clerk. Commissioner Wodtke asked if Attorney Albrecht was saying that the Judges feel the Clerk is not part of the court system, and Attorney Albrecht stated that they do not think the Clerk's involvement is part of "the court facility." Board members felt that is a narrow interpretation, and Chairman Scurlock believed the people who wrote the ordinance should know more what they intended than the Judges. Commissioner Lyons expressed his feeling that the televised first appearance is very much a part of the courtroom procedure. Attorney Albrecht advised that the Judge did agree part of the video system is court related. Argument continued at length regarding what the ordinance says; what the Judges think it says; and the fact that what they really want is a new courtroom and additional space. OMB Director Baird clarified that the Judges did bring up the courtroom during the budget hearing, and the Board said we did not have the funds this year. Chairman Scurlock noted that we did discuss space require- ments; now is the time to get into a posture to provide the space when needed and that need is close at hand. Commissioner Bird felt we should have some statistics from the Court Administrator Dave Douglas as he is the one who schedules the courtrooms. 29 SEP 0 1986 Bao G��.6